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June 19, 2009

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Susanne Dunlap

Heady stuff for a Friday morning. My feeling is that the need to create is just as hard to explain as the meaning of life! But I enjoyed reading your articulate, thoughtful exploration. It's good to step back and think about it every once in a while.

katharine weber

Are we not the only living creatures who seem wired to take pleasure in making and experiencing art? It feels to me like an essentially instinctive human drive. It's a drive that is blunted in some people and heightened in others, but that, too, is what makes us human, isn't it, the infinite varieties of human expression and perception?

Walter Rimler

Maybe we aren't the only such creatures. According to Richard Starkey, MBE, octopuses travel along the sea bed picking up stones and shiny objects with which to build gardens.

Susan O'Doherty

Yes, octopuses build gardens in the shade, and other animals may also create beauty out of emptiness, but the question remains: Why? What evolutionary purpose could this possibly serve?

Walter Rimler

This is just a guess, but maybe the taste for beauty began for mating and reproduction reasons and became something less specific and, in humans, separate--the need for art. Art helps us make some sense of the world. It would be interesting to see what evolutionary biologists have to say about this.

katharine weber

We admire the octupus garden (as did the Beatles) for its beauty, but how do we know there isn't a biological imperative at work for the octopus having to do with attracting a mate or creating a nurturing environment for babies? How do we know the creation of something we judge as beautiful is motivated by a matching appreciation for beauty? Even if we don't understand why the octopus makes her choices, and even though it might be condescending to the octopus to dismiss the possibility that she can appreciate beauty by some of our same standards, isn't it presumptuous to impose on an octopus a human standard for beauty?

Susan O'Doherty

Wait, are octopus' gardens real?

Walter Rimler

These are interesting questions to ponder. I don't know if animals appreciate beauty as we do. But they have a lot of the same emotions we do, including fear, happiness and loyalty. We and they are made up of the same atoms and elements. Our consciousness appears to be inherent in those atoms. So, who knows, maybe we should include plants (rocks too?) along with animals when discussing consciousness. As for whether octopuses really have gardens: any marine biologists out there?

Jack O'Doherty

Yes, but they should be called "Octopi Garden . . . "

"I wrote Octopus's Garden in Sardinia. Peter Sellers had lent us his yacht and we went out for the day... I stayed out on deck with [the captain] and we talked about octopuses. He told me that they hang out in their caves and they go around the seabed finding shiny stones and tin cans and bottles to put in front of their cave like a garden. I thought this was fabulous, because at the time I just wanted to be under the sea too. A couple of tokes later with the guitar - and we had Octopus's Garden!"

Ringo Starr
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Octopi was supposed to be a joke - - -octopuses is correct.

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